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bananaboat - 3-21-2005 at 08:48 PM

I was watching the news yesterday and they were talking about stuff in Ireland about the IRA. Do you guys know who they are? Sounds like the Irish mafia to me but I don't know..

DylerPlummer - 3-21-2005 at 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by bananaboat
I was watching the news yesterday and they were talking about stuff in Ireland about the IRA. Do you guys know who they are? Sounds like the Irish mafia to me but I don't know..


IRA stands for Irish Republic Army = Terrorists.
What happened to you on 9/11 has been happening to us for years thanks to the IRA..

Jette - 3-22-2005 at 02:44 AM

it kind of is irish mafia yeah :rolleyes:

7cut - 3-22-2005 at 05:07 AM

Sunday Bloody Sunday

On January 30, 1972, soldiers of the 1st Battalion of the Parachute regiment shot dead 13 marchers following disturbances during a civil rights march in Londonderry, Northern Ireland.

Lord Widgery concluded the soldiers had been fired on first

Another protester died later, bringing the total to 14. The shooting lasted for half an hour and had a catastrophic effect on what had become known as the Troubles.

Following the tragedy an inquiry was announced under the then Lord Chief Justice, Lord Widgery.

To the astonishment of the nationalist community, the soldiers were exonerated, although Widgery did conclude that some of the firing had "bordered on the reckless".

The report also concluded that the soldiers had opened fire after they had been fired upon by IRA gunmen while trying to arrest troublemakers.

Protest against internment

The soldiers were exonerated by the inquiry in 1972


The civil rights march was organised by the Derry Civil Rights Association. Its purpose was to protest against the policy of internment without trial which had been introduced the previous summer.

All such marches were banned by the Stormont Parliament at that time.

The march began on the Creggan Estate area of Derry. Approximately 10,000 marchers gathered at about 2pm. Initially the atmosphere was good-humoured.

People who took part in the march say its organisers had met senior figures from the Provisional IRA in advance and asked them not to participate and to take their weapons out of the area.

The provisionals apparently agreed to let the march go ahead without their involvement, although some IRA members would, as residents of the area, take part as ordinary marchers and stewards.

'Aunt Sallies'

The marchers planned to head for the centre of Derry but found their way blocked by British Army soldiers. There was a containment line that divided "Free Derry" from the city centre and it was here that soldiers were often pelted with stones. It was known as Aggro Corner.

"Free Derry" was a no-go area for the British forces. The paratroopers had been drafted in from Belfast to help with the containment and were astonished to find that an area like "Free Derry" could exist.

Colonel Wilford, who was commanding the paratroopers, said there was no way that his men would stand there to be pelted like "Aunt Sallies" in the same manner as the regular soldiers. They were ordered to arrest any troublemakers who tried to cross the containment line.

First shot

Thirteen civilians were killed by British paratroopers

According to witnesses and reports from the time, the first shot was fired at 4pm and it was fired at the soldiers, not by them.

It struck a drainpipe, but to the soldiers, it confirmed their view that there was an armed IRA presence in the area. Soldiers in the area lived in fear of sniper fire.

Shortly after the shot was fired the marchers encountered the barriers preventing them from entering the city centre. They turned into the Bogside area but some protesters, angered by the military presence, broke away and began to pelt the soldiers.

Shortly after 4.05pm, the paratroopers were given the order to cross the containment line into the Bogside and round up the troublemakers.

What happened over the next 20 minutes has never been clearly established. The soldiers say they came under fire, other witnesses say they did not.

Embassy attack

Civil rights marcher Father Daly condemned the killings

The then Irish Prime Minister, Jack Lynch, condemned the killings at once as an "unwarranted attack on unarmed civilians".

In response to what became known as Bloody Sunday, outraged demonstrators in the Irish Republic burnt down the British Embassy in Dublin a few days later.

The official IRA also bombed the Parachute Regiment's barracks in Aldershot, Hampshire, killing seven civilians.

On 24 March, UK Prime Minister Edward Heath suspended the Stormont Parliament and imposed direct rule from Westminster - initially for 12 months, in practice for more than 25 years. Bloody Sunday was as a crucial factor in this decision.

Inquiry controversy

Mr Heath immediately announced an inquiry into Bloody Sunday.

Lord Widgery's report was published in April 1972 and was met with disbelief in the Republic of Ireland and in the nationalist community in Northern Ireland.

It stated: "Civilian, as well as Army evidence made it clear that there was a substantial number of civilians in the area who were armed with firearms."

The only weapons produced were four nail bombs. No guns were found and it was never proven that any of the dead had been in contact with any weapons.

For the next 26 years nationalists continued to demand a fresh inquiry. Each year they held a march through Derry on the anniversary of Bloody Sunday.

In 1997 the Irish Government presented a dossier of research on Bloody Sunday to London which it said contained new evidence.

In January 1998 UK Prime Minister Tony Blair announced a fresh inquiry to examine the events of Bloody Sunday.



Seb - 3-22-2005 at 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by DylerPlummer
Quote:
Originally posted by bananaboat
I was watching the news yesterday and they were talking about stuff in Ireland about the IRA. Do you guys know who they are? Sounds like the Irish mafia to me but I don't know..


IRA stands for Irish Republic Army = Terrorists.
What happened to you on 9/11 has been happening to us for years thanks to the IRA..


Didn't you know, terrorism only becomes a problem when it attacks the good ol' U S of A...

poobs - 3-22-2005 at 09:22 AM

:ticking: Wow..That's such a fucked up thing to say, Seb..I guess it didn't affect you in Canada, but it hit Americans really hard when those planes flew into the World Trade Centers and ripped apart thousands of families..Sorry if it took that to take away from Canada's terrorist attacks' thunder..:rolleyes:

Jette - 3-22-2005 at 12:58 PM

well, its kind of true what he said.. ofcourse 9/11 hit america hard, but the ira is hitting ireland just as hard, only because its not in america, its not important enough for the worldpolitics to pay as much attention to it :no:

DylerPlummer - 3-22-2005 at 04:10 PM

Scum scum scum.. That's what i think of the IRA.. They set off a bomb about a mile and a half from my house in a busy shopping center a few years ago and another one at the top of my Nans road on a railway bridge by a school.. In the past they've blown up pubs,discos,railway stations etc etc.. Blah blah blah.. Scum scum scum.. Who really gives a fuck about history or the past.. People should be thinking about now and the future..

RoboticTerrorSTD - 3-22-2005 at 05:02 PM

i'll just slowly back away from this thread.....this is me leaving.:duh:

poobs - 3-22-2005 at 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by DylerPlummer
Scum scum scum.. That's what i think of the IRA.. They set off a bomb about a mile and a half from my house in a busy shopping center a few years ago and another one at the top of my Nans road on a railway bridge by a school.. In the past they've blown up pubs,discos,railway stations etc etc.. Blah blah blah.. Scum scum scum.. Who really gives a fuck about history or the past.. People should be thinking about now and the future..



So true..Terrorism in any form in any country is atrocious..

EvilMotivator - 3-22-2005 at 06:53 PM

Did anyone hear about the school shooting in Minnesota? That shit's so scary. There's a kid at Juno's school who talks about doing that one day, and he would. Yikes.

JunoRedneck - 3-22-2005 at 07:09 PM

Who? Corynn's ex? I think he got kicked out. Understandably so. He had issues. He beat up his mom really badly and stalked my friend for a long while. He had bad social skills and didn't really understand what was appropriate and what wasn't. He needed counseling. I hope they got it for him...

minimandy14 - 3-22-2005 at 08:18 PM

omg didn't columbine start with a bunch of bomb threats like in the bathrooms or somthing? thats what someone told me, it kinda freaks me out cause of the crap in Minisota and my school has had like 8 bomb threats this school year . . . . . . . . . .

IsaacBot - 3-23-2005 at 05:31 AM

i eat bomb threats for breakfast. which is why i am so meek and feeble. bomb threats aren't very nutritious, you know. nor are they very tasty which leads me to question why i continue to ingest the little buggars. oh well. me never learnsy.

bananaboat - 3-23-2005 at 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by Seb
Didn't you know, terrorism only becomes a problem when it attacks the good ol' U S of A...


Quote:
Originally posted by poobs
:ticking: Wow..That's such a fucked up thing to say, Seb..I guess it didn't affect you in Canada, but it hit Americans really hard when those planes flew into the World Trade Centers and ripped apart thousands of families..Sorry if it took that to take away from Canada's terrorist attacks' thunder..:rolleyes:


I thought he was being sarcastic...
But yeah,9/11 affected Canadians as well as Americans and everyone else.

bananaboat - 3-23-2005 at 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by DylerPlummer
Scum scum scum.. That's what i think of the IRA.. They set off a bomb about a mile and a half from my house in a busy shopping center a few years ago and another one at the top of my Nans road on a railway bridge by a school.. In the past they've blown up pubs,discos,railway stations etc etc.. Blah blah blah.. Scum scum scum.. Who really gives a fuck about history or the past.. People should be thinking about now and the future..


That's so scary!! Are they some extreme Catholic group? Because I think that's what I heard too but I have trouble hearing these days.

minimandy14 - 3-23-2005 at 08:15 PM

You know most of the wars today are about oil and religion.

Jette - 3-24-2005 at 01:37 AM

hehe, that reminds me of this quote out of 'angels and demons' which i read in bed yesterday, langdon said something along the lines of: 'true belief will always go together with a high bodycount'. i think thats true

IsaacBot - 3-25-2005 at 05:08 PM

yikes, this thread is WAY too serious for me. y'all haves yourselves a time with it. war out!